1. To the MLM/Network Marketing/BurnLounge Cult,

This is not about the little guys vs Napster. There are plenty of little guys out there who are doing things right, or at least better than BurnLounge. The biggest of the bunch is eMusic. Here are some of the ways eMusic does it better than BurnLounge:

* You can promote indie music on eMusic without paying them to sign up. They use an affiliate program, much like Amazon.com, iTunes, and AudioLunchbox. For every person who signs up for 25 free downloads and a free 30 day trial, they pay affiliates $6. Affiliates have no investment to recoup, so every referral they sign up represents profit in their pockets.

* eMusic doesn't use DRM. DRM (ostensibly Digital Rights Management, more accurately Digital Restrictions Manegement) is that stuff that makes it impossible to play your WMA files on your iPod, or move files you downloaded to your cell phone onto your computer. In other words, DRM = bad.

* eMusic charges very little for song downloads. As low as $0.33 per track. I tried to check out a BurnLounge store and find out what they charge, but I was turned away because "Media Player 9 is required to view this site." I have Media Player 10. I guess that current technology isn't good enough for BurnLounge, which brings me to my next point...

* The BurnLounge store doesn't even work on many computers. Initially I estimated that they were turning away 1/3rd of their total traffic. After today, I'm sure that estimate is way low. Keep in mind that most internet-connected Windows computers are using an auto-update service, so a lot of people are using Media Player 10.

* Traffic. Part of the BurnLounge sales pitch is that the business is growing fast and set to explode, right? According to Alexa.com, their traffic is a virtual flatline, with a steady six-month downtrend. By way of comparison, eMusic.com has 25 times the pageviews, and is trending upwards.

Posted at 10:27PM on Jan 14th 2007 by Eric Hamilton

2. Notice how the cultist completelty ignores the fact that Public Enemy is being promote when that is clearly not the case.

Anyone that knows hip hop knows that Griff has not been down since the early 90's. This is a purposely misleading tactic.

Posted at 12:39PM on Jan 15th 2007 by Cartel

3. Man!, you must be getting paid by Steve Jobs? I did hear that some of the Major Corporate tycoons that really have the Music and entertainment Business by the balls / program going as you are very aware of I am sure!! Have been falsifying threads left and right to their own gain...Here for example? offff course! I am so glad that All those major business tycoons are taking a second look at this wonderfull concept with BurnLounge! I really hope you will stop beating up on the new kids in the Play ground.. It hurts some~ Lots of Love here Brothas and sisstas!!! For all those who like to know the facts. Look a bit closer and hear what the real BurnLounge* A & R dept. Have to say about these individuals that are so excited about being a part of the Music and Entertainment industry at a whole other Level than ever (Allowed) before.. I am in and 'Supernaly' Hyped to be. For the sukkas believeing these smearing lies You are better than That!!!
All the Best in 07 2.o Version will really be turnong heads, so get ready to be on the shit list some more. Freekin Tycoons. Peace out.

Posted at 6:43PM on Jan 15th 2007 by Emanue Daffron Jr

4. "I am bringing BurnLounge to other levels were ever I can, It is great exposure to upcoming Artist!"

Having an indie artists up on Burnlounge is no different than having an artists up on itunes, napster, or even myspace. As always it's up to the artists to promote their work. If they don't they won't be seen. You cultist always act like Burnlounge is the greatest thing for indie artists when in truth it is no different than any other outlet.

"and it just pisses me off that you Mr. Hamilton Keep up your smearing tactics of this false, and nasty campaign of yours?"

Yes because the truth hurts and like with any cult, it acquires members based on the distortion of said truth.

" BurnLounge is here to stay"

We shall see about that. Time will tell.



"I intend to pass on those Licesing agreements I have with all the major record lables, and thousands of Indi. Artist stuff, "Which by the way" Any one who has a BurnLounge has these exact licensing agreements. That 'entitles' you to sell and promote the tunes you like just as the rest of those major corporate tycoons out there. I will pass mine to my son when I am gone. I am only 33 now he is 4 months so I intend also to hang around for a while."

Wow... what B.S. I'm glad I'm not your son because dad is definitely not the brightest bulb in the pack.

"Any ways BurnLounge has (Empowered) many people whom never thought they would have this exciting and fun way to be in the Music and entertainment industry."

Empowered? Ha. So you think having a glorified affiliate/MLM website is a way for people to enter the entertainment industry? LMAO.

"Oh and get paid weekly. I have not made much money, Because it is NOT a get rich quick idea."

The reason you have not made money is because you won't make money selling actual music. You make money by signing up other cultist such as yourself and when they sign up others. Like a.... ah.... MLM scheme?

Posted at 7:57AM on Jan 16th 2007 by Cartel

5. Mr Cartel, You have all the answers. You must be independently wealthy. Please tell us how you achieved your success!

Posted at 9:22AM on Jan 17th 2007 by kartel

6. ez, everybody. Cult, zealot, fan, it's what rock-n-roll's about. BL is only MLM if you wanna buy into that level of training and software. I've performed, managed, and promoted, and there are few saints in the biz. This is simply a cool and sexy brand / storefront skin that can be a cheap addition to your indie distribution - and the payout is much higher than major label. MySpace people can share their faves and get an override. Anybody that can use a blog can get a wma onto an ipod anyway- it's really about getting the artists PAID while having fun. If you can make a few bucks along the way, all the better.

Posted at 1:25PM on Jan 17th 2007 by Scott

7. Hello there once again, I bet you are glad to see me.( * ) Well you seem pretty educated my man. You really like to sound like you know what it is all about, and that's kewl. I am bringing BurnLounge to other levels were ever I can, It is great exposure to upcoming Artist! and it just pisses me off that you Mr. Hamilton Keep up your smearing tactics of this false, and nasty campaign of yours? GET OVER IT! Any windows media will work, just scroll down and enter site anyway! BurnLounge is here to stay, I intend to pass on those Licesing agreements I have with all the major record lables, and thousands of Indi. Artist stuff, "Which by the way" Any one who has a BurnLounge has these exact licensing agreements. That 'entitles' you to sell and promote the tunes you like just as the rest of those major corporate tycoons out there. I will pass mine to my son when I am gone. I am only 33 now he is 4 months so I intend also to hang around for a while.
Any ways BurnLounge has (Empowered) many people whom never thought they would have this exciting and fun way to be in the Music and entertainment industry. Oh and get paid weekly. I have not made much money, Because it is NOT a get rich quick idea. It is Tuely an awesome concept, so dude Eric, Go fly a kite. Get you tentacles off my business, I do not like to be slandered. Got it!?

Posted at 1:03PM on Jan 21st 2007 by Emanue Daffron Jr

8. Nice way to splice up my comment to your disguising and manipulative tactic.> Sad, just sad. I believe your ways my man, are the catylist to cult like mentality. Listen to yourself. trying to knock a new business model in the making for over five years, handled by amazing sweet people, and sponsored by Cadillac, Nokia, and logitech. Offered to buy by Gates, Trump, but no sale!! We are still Grass roots. No "Multi Level" S. Jobbs Best Buy like marketing Scheme as seen on TV. Simply Friends telling friends. Baby, best way to the truth!! Your political like smearing campaigns are worthless, and negative Bull shit. Look closely and re-examine your motives, for now is an EQUAL (INDEPENDANT) 'says it all', opportunity. Any one may be a part of this massive growing industry, and BurnLounge is the FIRST to empower, and open the industry up to the Public this way, and has provided an amazing outlet for us to grow with for many many years to come.
I will, and I am choising to ignor your 'line crossing' regarding my fatherhood. Jack wadd.
Lots of Love here folks. Getting in is a wise descision~
Best Emanuel www.burnlounge.com/emuse

Posted at 1:28PM on Jan 21st 2007 by Emanue Daffron Jr

9. I am an independent artist and I am also in Burnlounge and I am looking forward to being able to promote our music when we get a new recording. Everything about Burnlounge has been open fully disclosed, ethical and completely legal. All the hype about being ripped off, I just don't get it.
Lets see hmm, should I receive the advice of friends of mine and new collegues that are doctors, lawyers, bankers, dentists, pastors, businessmen, secretaries, musicians, computer specialists all who feel comfortable with Burnlounge business model or people ranting raving on the internet full of negativity but seriously lacking in substance to any of their arguments. Address any specifics you want Burnlounge is no ripoff. Is it a rip off for my friend who joined and has made his investment back in less than 2 weeks out of excitment and hard work.
I don't believe that you guys are smarter or have better attorneys than U2, Madonna, Willie Nelson, Shaq,.... ask some of the top indie artists promoted by BurnLounge if it is rip off? Give me a break.

Oh, I am sorry. Pay no attention I have been brainwashed by cult leaders. I almost forgot

Posted at 8:33PM on Feb 19th 2007 by dan

10.
Congratulations - a post from a BurnLounger that doesn't include spelling mistakes or irrelevant capitalisation. Maybe there is hope for your scam, oh sorry I mean business model, after all.

Posted at 12:30AM on Feb 20th 2007 by g

11. New with Burnlounge and very excited. You've managed to turn some of my friends against signing up with me after slamming the company and making some false statements. I'll move forward with positive thoughts and make this work for me and let you know how it's going.
www.burnlounge.com/musicalbreeze

Posted at 12:17PM on Mar 13th 2007 by Marion

12. One thing all the folks at the Church of Burn Lounge fail to realize is that is that MLM is sleezy on principle. Burn lounge relies on this type of "guido economics" which is in essence selling SCHEMES to people, so that they too can sell SCHEMES. By no circumstance are the holy members of the burn lounge church selling music. If they were they'd be making minimum wage.....IN CHILE!

People who sell Amway or Pre Paid Legal are not respectable! Period. These people are 5th rate peddlers, who rely on suckers to sell unneccessary products. There is a reason why these people are satirized in movies! And by the way, if you are going to "start your own business" selling a companies product, and you possess the acumen necessary to make a living, WHY NOT START YOUR OWN COMPANY?????

Now you want to bring this model to music? This principle is beyond me. Why peddlars of makeup and herbalife pills could sell music is beyond me. There's already a mega store that sells music that you can easily download to your computer and then to your portable MP3 device....It's called ITUNES! And you don't have to go through the hassle of converting to mp3 files, which burnlounge requires you to do.

By the way....I don't work for apple, and I don't love Steve Jobs, I just realize a far superiour product when I see one.

Posted at 7:56PM on Mar 31st 2007 by Piscus